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Re:Health-care reform verdict? People are cattle 5 Years ago Karma: 2  
An overall preventive medicine approach by companies, insurers, doctors and so on would make a huge difference. The short-term costs of really doing it right are huge, so I don't see it happening.
 
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Re:Health-care reform verdict? People are cattle 5 Years ago Karma: 0  
I can see the incentive for companies and insurers to push preventative medicine, but the doctors, fuggetaboutit! It's not in their interest. They depend on us to keep popping pills and taking all those tests.
 
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Re:Health-care reform verdict? People are cattle 4 Years, 11 Months ago Karma: 0  
There's an interesting story about IBM on Workforce.com today about how IBM will now pay 100 percent of the cost of primary care for its employees beginning in 2010. They are bucking the trend for sure.

The company also participated in pilot programs involving medical homes, a health management model in which each patient has an ongoing relationship with a primary care physician who serves as a personal "health coach", leading a team of medical professionals that takes collective responsibiity for delivering care.

We will see if other companies follow suit...
 
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Re:Health-care reform verdict? People are cattle 4 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 0  
Part of the problem with healthcare is the litigious nature of people and well, their lawyers.

A baby is born with a birth mark, the parents sue. A morbidly obese woman dies ono the operating table, her family sues. An air bag deploys, doing it's job, the driver is hurt, the person sues. It doesn't matter, he/she was weaving in and out of traffic and plowed into the car in front of them.

The sense of entitlement - the right to sue, the right to the best healthcare, legal defense, education and on it goes is completely out of whack with how this country was founded - on discipline, hard work and yes, a feeling of striving for self, family and the good for the whole - and what is realistic about Life.

You still have to earn things in Life -and life happens. Stuff happens. Accidents happen. And guess what?

We are not all created equal - some have great financial instincts, some have great writing abilities, other become lawyers... we are not all created equal in terms of the gifts and abilities we are born with. We are created equal in terms of the ability to dig deep and tap into the talents and gifts we do have.Whining and expecting the government to take care of you isn't one of these talents and abilities.

And no, government is not going to take care of you - Obama in particular is not going to...from what he's shown us thus far, the US citizen is truly nothing but cattle and the rest of the world worth courting.
 
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Re:Health-care reform verdict? People are cattle 4 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 0  
According to an article I saw on Workforce.com, large emloyers may be spared, for now, anyway.

Here are highlights from the article...

The cost of health care premiums provided by large employers is unlikely to change if the Senate passes its health reform legislation, according to a report published by the Congressional Budget Office and the Joint Committee on Taxation.

The finding is significant because employment-based insurance accounts for about five-sixths of the total health insurance market.

The key reason why premiums for large employers would go unchanged is that the health insurance offered by almost all large employers already meets the minimum coverage requirements in the legislation. The legislation would require all health plans to have an actuarial value above 60 percent.
 
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Re:Health-care reform verdict? People are cattle 4 Years, 10 Months ago Karma: 1  
Obama specifically said in his health care addess to Congresss that he's willing to meet the Republicans half way on tort reform, so I'm not sure what your beef is there.

Still, any serious study of health care costs would show that malpractice isn't the main driver. That prize goes to insurance companies, thanks to the lack of competition in that industry. The sad fact is this country gets the least amount of care for its dollars than any advanced nation in the world, on a per capita basis, which is the one that seems relevant to your point about "U.S. citizens."

And even some major U.S. industrial companies now realize that's put them at a competitive disadvantage.

Yet you seem to be suggesting that we should labor on this way because companies that are effectively an oligopoly should remain so. My question is why?

As for your larger point about Obama treating U.S. citizens as cattle, I'd suggest that you have it exactly backwards, if by citizens you mean the country as a whole. Look, for instance, at median real wages in this country for the past thirty years and tell me how the shareholder-centric model of political and corporate governance hasn't favored the few over the many. Bush's "ownership society" malarkey in connection with he privatization of Social Security was just the last desperate attempt of the right wing to complete the con job on the middle class that Reaganomics started.

That may all be fine and dandy with Ayn Rand fans, but it's absurd to claim that such policies favor U.S. citizens as a whole. If trickle down economics worked, median wages wouldn't have stagnated for the past quarter century and counting.

Or look at the financial crisis, which is the inevitable outcome of the policies that the elists who've run Washington on behalf of Wall Street have pushed since 1980. Surely you aren't saying this is instead an example of how a we-aren't-create-equal approach has worked for Main Street. This way lies feudalism, for God's sake. And calling it a system of gated communities doesn't change that fact.

Finally, lest you label me a socialist, I would point out that even libertarians like Ron Paul would agree with me on that last point. Capitalism is fine, but if it ain't run in some minimally democratic fashion, we're just destined to become a banana republic with nukes.
 
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