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Re:Health-care reform verdict? People are cattle 5 Years, 3 Months ago Karma: 1  
Why the heck people can't see that a big reason GM failed is because we have a system that lets health-care costs run wild is beyond me. Hopefully, Obama will steer the discussion back to the facts.

I spent yesterday evening in the company of about a dozen British expats and visitors to New York City, and they all seemed hale and hearty to me.
 
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The thing I don't understand is how some of those folks who worry most about the deficit are the same folks who are most vociferously opposed to health care reform that includes a public option, when that's the only serious way to bring down costs and thus plug the shortfall in Medicare funding, the item most reponsible in the long run for the deficit.

I mean, electronic record keeping and cutting waste will get us only so far. The real savings would come from driving down insurance company profits, and that requires competition from the government through a public option.

Don't believe me? Check out the lastest Harper's Index, which reports that on average, premiums charged by large U.S. health insurance companies have almost doubled since 2002.
 
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No public option? Ouch. Let's hope that was just a run-in-up-the-flagpole thing and that toward late summer we’ll see a shift in the wind from right to left.

Howard Dean's correct: without a public option, the insurance companies will continue to charge whatever they want.

Yeah, you'll get a couple of things with pared-down “reform,” although to say “reform” is to overstate it: a) a ban on the cherry-picking practice of refusing service on the grounds of a pre-existing condition and b) a requirement that more people carry health insurance.
But without the public option you're going to have a lot of people in this country still stuck with little or no choice but to knuckle under to the dominant insurance company in their region. Which translates into us, as a nation, continuing to have a problem a) keeping the insurance industry honest, and b) containing costs.

It's too soon to pronounce the public option dead. Late-summer delirium has set in, but autumn looms. Cool weather -- and cooler heads – may yet prevail.

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I heard a health insurance broker complain at one of Obama's meetings last week that he was demonizing the industry. Obama handled the question cooly enough, as is his wont.

But talk about projection. I mean, who's demonizing whom? "Socialist?" "Nazi?" (I suppose the right would say that Bush haters were just as extreme, though I didn't see any of them carrying automatic rifles to his "town halls." Then again, they would never have gotten within telescopic sight of the place and would probably have been sent to Gitmo if they had.)

Anyway, hope you're right about cooler heads. Just for once, I'd like to see an important policy matter in this country debated on its merits.

But I worry that opponents of real reform, as you describe it, won't let that happen. And that says a lot about the merits of their case IMHO.
 
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If the Administration backs down on the public option, they're toast for the next three years. This is basically a smear campaign, and if they turn tail on this one, every lobbyist and right-wing extremist will pull the same stunt on every major piece of legislation the White House introduces. You have to stand up to bullies.

Honestly believe that some of this stuff is motivated by folks who can't stand that an African-American is in the White House. I do believe that some people out there are legitimately concerned about what a universal insurance plan would mean for them. And it is costly, at least on the front end.

But what do you make of people at town hall meetings with signs that say: "Death to Obama, his wife and his two stupid kids"?
 
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One other thing: I'm sick and tired of hearing people talk about how the government shouldn't be involved in health-care because the government can't run anything.

Really? The U.S. military isn't exactly a second-rate outfit, and it's government funded. The Federal court system is government funded. Geez, I wish half of the companies I do business with were half as reliable as the U.S. post office.

And consider this: despite some well-publicized problems during the Bush Administration (due to lack of funding), the VA may be the best largescale provider of health-care in the country. That's not me talking, that's from an independent survey.

Is there waste? Sure. But show me any large private business that doesn't have some inefficiencies, some slackers, some waste.
 
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